Gun laws ~ Gun Control

[andysbeef]

Well if I said it once I said it a thousand times; “Freedom made this Country great and freedom is going to destroy it”. A perfect example is the A.C.L.U. and the N.R.A., just to name two. All the A.C.L.U. cares about are its Rights and never mentions its responsibilities, WRONG. We gained our Rights by FIRST taking care of our responsibilities. This is a great Country but its greatness is slipping for us and in the eyes of the world.

The N.R.A. just doesn’t get it and I’m a sportsman apposed to their views. The Constitution guarantees us the Right to bare arms. At the time it was written it meant protecting ourselves against an overzealous government, hunting (food) and protection with single shot MUZZEL LOADERS. For big game hunting the State now allows us to have 5 rounds in the mag and 1 in the chamber for semi-automatic guns. Now lets stretch that for the sake of argument and say 10 and 1, doubled for personal, house protection, (still 5 and 1 for hunting and not include the ‘tube feed’ L.R. 15-20 shot 22’s). The 10 shot limit, would also conveniently cover handguns. Now I say anyone caught, possession, with an automatic gun/weapon (machine-gun), any clip larger than 10, grenades, rocket launchers etc. or ANY other world military/war type weapon go directly to jail, 5 years minimum each item, yeah collectors, get a life and go to the Smithsonian. I was pissed at the N.R.A. when back around the 80’s a manufacturer came out with a totally plastic 9mm hand gun that was undetectable by the airport screening and they (N.R.A.) said it was our Right to own one; bullshit. With a properly written amendment we can put in words that this Right is irrevocable and not changeable and NEVER questioned or suggest/demand that we turn over our guns like the Australians and others, those poor souls. When new technology comes along like ‘Ray’ guns etc. the TYPE of gun for home protection and/or hunting will be revisited but our Right will ALWAYS remain and NEVER questioned. I say anyone that questions or publicly announces that we turn over our guns gets thrown in jail as a terrorist. We have to quit wasting our time, efforts and money on something that is NOT the problem.

Here’s one for the N.R.A./A.C.L.U., ‘Real Gun Control’, and establishing a Federal ‘Book of Punishment’. Now the criminals laugh & abuse the system, we need to get the fear back.
1) A felon carrying a concealed weapon without a permit, an upward progression punishment based on who you are (the larger the ‘Rap’ sheet the more time) and circumstances, 1st five years, 2nd ten years and the 3rd time 15 years minimum.
2) A felon in possession/carrying any military/war type weapons, all automatics, possession, 5 years each item.
3) Hint or body language, hand in pocket etc., of a weapon during a crime, 10 years in prison.
4) Showing a weapon during a crime even if it’s a toy, 20 years.
5) Discharging a weapon during a crime, 30 years.
6) Wounding a person during a crime, death penalty.
7) Permanently disabling a person during a crime, death penalty.
8) A shootout/standoff with police, death penalty
9) Killing a person, death penalty.

These penalties (first 5) are added to the crime(s) being committed, no parole on all items & doubled if they were previously convicted of a felony.
No bond for crimes committed with a weapon. Anyone that breaks into your home or business risks being shot, no questions. And don’t give me the bullshit ‘mentally incompetent’. They were competent enough to carry out a crime.
And here is the kicker; any church/organization/person that doesn’t believe in the death penalty can SAVE the asshole by paying ALL costs for keeping him alive and in jail for life, no parole. The taxpayers shall bare no burden. If the money stops coming in, the ‘chair’ is waiting, with a, 30 day, grace period time for getting personal affairs in order.
If they really tried, our useless politicians could write an amendment on gun control (on one 8 ½ x 11 sheet of paper) that wouldn’t devastate an entire forest like they usually do, volumes and volumes that say NOTHING. This act could have BOTH sides compromise and all issues addressed..........JUST THINK!

[andysbeef]

Well folks, just got done reading Ted Nugents, 'Ted, White and Blue' (a GREAT read) and I changed my position on the above a bit (it's NOT hunting and basic protection....it's protecting ourselves from Washington!).....he's 100% correct! Why should good upstanding citizens be restricted in any kind of gun ownership when our judicial system (Judges) can't find their ass with two hands and a road map? I'm still anti plastic gun, grenades and rocket launcher type stuff.
The 'solution'.........PUNISH those that need it!
Lets see, don't punish those that commit a crime with a gun but take them away from law abiding citizens. Ah huh, sure makes perfect liberal logic.

[normansarmin]

I think you would be better served if you read a little American history concerning the attitudes of our Founding Fathers during the timeframe around when our Constitution was written. I believe if you do, you will discover that the second amendment had little, if ANYTHING, to do with "hunting." The second amendment was written to PROTECT the citizens from a GOVERNMENT that was doing EXACTLY what the Obama administration is doing NOW!

[andysbeef]

Hey 'norman' damn, your 100% right! AND, YEAH, I did omit the government protection thing on the first post, (BIG OOPS ON MY PART, I tried soft peddling a bit, sorry)....initially, but I soon corrected it!
Also, I was ALMOST convinced that 10 round mags are a good thing....NOT!

Me, soft peddling? What the hell was up with that? AGAIN, THANKS FOR POINTING THAT OUT!

[andysbeef]

There are no laws that will stop criminals....NOT ONE! AND, there is not ONE gun control law that works....NOT ONE!

The 'death' penalty speaks volumes!

I think it was Einstein that said: "Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results", so more laws won't change a thing. Until the liberals decide to start executing these BAD guys NOTHING will change.

Something to think about.
Gun control is not about gun control, it's about 'control'. The liberals want to dictate to you how to live your life right down to what kind of light bulbs that you will use in your house. Never mind that they contain one of the worst carcinogens (mercury) known to man. So back to 'control', it's violence control that you want NOT gun control. The liberals are focused on the wrong thing. There are about 9,000 gun control laws on the books in this country and NONE of them working. So how about that we get rid of every single one....volumes of laws and replace it with one sentence:
'If a gun is discharged in the act of a crime the criminal gets the death penalty carried out within 30 days of sentencing' (No bargaining/insane plea)! Ya see how easy it would be, but the liberals don't want to offend anyone and they sure don't want to loose any votes....they buy what they can. AND ya did see that I didn't say 'whose' gun had to discharge, even the victims and/or police....it all boils down to a life and death situation that the CRIMINAL created.

[andysbeef]

I am a firm believer:
Gun Control is really “people control” and the bad guys still have their guns.

Lets get rid of ALL the 'gun control' laws that are on the books, State and Federal, and replace it with:
If 'body language' or 'verbiage' suggests that the criminal has a weapon when committing a crime....10 additional years added to the crime automatically.
If a weapon of any kind is shown during a crime, 20 additional years added to the crime automatically.
If a weapon, gun, is discharged (any motion with knives/clubs etc.) during a crime, 30 additional years added to the crime automatically.
If a person is injured IN ANY WAY during a crime, the death penalty carried out within 30 days of sentencing with only ONE caveat....If a person or church group is opposed to the death penalty they may 'SAVE' the criminal by paying ALL expenses (about $150K/year) to keep his sorry ass alive. NOT one penny comes from the taxpayer! If the money stops coming in the 30 day clock starts! NO SECOND CHANCH!

[andysbeef]

What a DUMB BITCH!
Quote of the day by Dianne Feinstein:
"All vets are mentally ill and government should prevent them from owning firearms"

Some times even the L.A. Times gets it right.
Kurt Nimmo: "Senator Feinstein insults all U.S. Veterans as she flays about in a vain attempt to save her bill."

Quote of the Day from the Los Angeles Times:
"Frankly, I don't know what it is about California, but we seem to have a strange urge to elect really obnoxious women to high office. I'm not bragging, you understand, but no other state, including Maine, even comes close. When it comes to sending left-wing dingbats to Washington, we're Number One. There's no getting around the fact that the last time anyone saw the likes of Barbara Boxer, Dianne Feinstein, Maxine Waters, and Nancy Pelosi, they were stirring a cauldron when the curtain went up on 'Macbeth'. The four of them are like jackasses who happen to possess the gift of blab. You don't know if you should condemn them for their stupidity or simply marvel at their ability to form words."

Columnist Burt Prelutsky, Los Angeles Times

[andysbeef]

Thought for Today!

We are told not to judge Muslims by the actions of a few.

We should give the millions of responsible American gun owners the same courtesy!

[andysbeef]

I know the one I prefer, but the LIBERSALS just can't seem to get a handle on it.

[andysbeef]

My response to a local/liberal columnist.
A local columnist is making a simple thing complicated. Let's get one thing clear....ALL the multiple shooting gun violence were in a 'Gun Free Zone' area.
1) Where no guns are allowed violence with guns perpetuates (criminals don't care about laws)
2) Where guns are allowed to be carried violence with guns is 'almost' non existent....actually I don't know of an incident of mass shootings in a 'carry' zone. Ya see, cause criminals are basically cowards....they don't want anyone shooting back at them!
So, my point is, pick one of the above.
DON'T LIKE GUNS? DON'T BUY ONE! There, now wasn't that easy? As far as 'background checks' that Obama is pushing, good idea, let's start with him!
Oh, and don't bring up the Fort Hood incident, I do believe Major Nidal Hassan was in a base 'gun free zone'. Even at a military base there are rules and regulations as to when and where soldiers are allowed to carry their weapons....seems to me that I heard that it was Bill Clintons idea.
So, all the liberal/socialist/progressive (useless) politicians can pass all the laws they want and NOTHING will ever change till they start executing gun violence criminals! 'Oh nooooo, we can't do that' (is a typical liberals response), yeah right and that's exactly why we have the problem.